What if leadership isn’t about climbing higher… but about coming back to yourself?
In the first episode of Season 7, Shelley Flett is joined by Kevan Horder for a deeply honest conversation about defiance - not the loud, rebellious kind, but the grounded, values-led kind that quietly reshapes how work actually gets done.
Kevan shares his journey from senior leadership roles back to working on the ground, and what that shift taught him about power, authority, expectations, and the human cost of rigid systems. Together, they explore why so many capable leaders step away from formal roles, how unspoken expectations erode trust, and why calling “bullshit” on outdated leadership models is sometimes the most responsible thing you can do.
This conversation challenges hierarchy, rethinks role design, and offers a compelling alternative: values-based work, shared accountability, and leadership that’s earned through relationships - not titles.
If you’ve ever felt the tension between who you are and who leadership expects you to be…
If you’re tired of systems that value process over people…
If you’re quietly defiant and wondering whether that’s a flaw or a strength…
This episode is for you. WATCH NOW
🎧 A conversation about humanity, fairness, expectations, and leading meaningful change — from wherever you stand.
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